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World Football Banter
12 Mar 2010 22:48:04
LOL! Ribery is injured again, this time it is his ankle, who in their right mind would pay 50m for this joker?
12 Mar 2010 21:39:43
To soulman from theturdz i can't keep faith anymore im in turmoil at what is going on at our club were in a mess and we all know it its been like this for a couple of years now the americans are bleeding us dry them bastards conned moores and that shthouse knows it but he refuses to say so in public hes ashamed of what he has done but i suppose £200million softens the blow well fk him and parry fk them all.lats pray that the banks force the americans to pay back the loans with their own mone y or force them to sell the club it can't go on like this we need that stadium to be built asap and to finally challenge the mancs and get our crown back as kings of england and europe. please let it be soon as i hope i don't die knowing that were still in the sht.theturdz lifelong fan and season ticket holder centenary stand
12 Mar 2010 21:49:51
Whoever submiited this "I have it on very good sources ( local council included ) that everton and Liverpool will be announcing a site has been located for ground share and agreed, the 75000 sestet stadium will be ready for the 201213 season, everton will use the funds saved to improve the squad, bids for portos hulk, jermaine jenas, senderos and Ryan shawcross will all be placed this summer, yakubu will be offered back to boro as per a clause in his contract, u heard it here first!"
I have it on good authority this is utter bollocks. Shanken.
12 Mar 2010 20:27:50
Is there a rule in football that says you have to know the history of the club before you support it? Manutd will obviously have more fickle fans than any other epl club because they have been more successful in recent years. Nowadays people just support clubs that wins trophies. They do not have the time to research and remember everything about the clubs history. Therefore if Liverpool dominates the epl in the next 10 years, they will also end up have more fickle fans.
United 27
12 Mar 2010 20:32:51
Real Madrid
What we know is Real Madrid will be looking for a new manager after their Champions League exit to Lyon as £205 million spent on players and to date no return.
The rumour on these pages is Rafa is being lined up for the job pure speculation.
The Real Madrid job is one of the top managerial posts in the World, and they could hand pick a new manager.
Hiddinck, Wenger, Capello, Mourinho could all get the call.
12 Mar 2010 19:54:57
Utter rubbish! It's well known by everyone who is a muppet that the accounts r seperste and if torres and masch are sold it would all gave to go back into the players funds account to buy.. More players not fix any losses.. Why talk rubbish? In fact why talk at all.. Rafa will be gone tho and we will have a german manager.
12 Mar 2010 19:44:34
The Pube (I think) accusing someone else of 'being full of the brown stuff'?
Anyone else notice the comedy in this?
12 Mar 2010 18:27:02
School of sht you are so full of the brown stuff. You slated SCOTTISH people for that minutes silece, a few of us had to point out to you it was Celtic fans you shameful clown.
12 Mar 2010 18:40:47
Oh yeah forgot to say, if you think that post below was from me as you predict School of sht your wrong. Ask the editor. Wrong again SOS, your getting good at it idiot. {editor's note – he is right, it wasn't him, I checked back.}
12 Mar 2010 19:26:00
Hey no worries lads, keep the banter going, I can take a slagging as well as the next..as long as we keep it to football, I've stepped over the line before and Mr Ed has barred it, about my team, the Champions..Rangers, please can we give credit(no puns!)to Walter Smith and the gang, for what they've achieved this season, "Unbelievable Jeff"they deserve it, C'mon lads, give praise were it's due. ELC 1912
12 Mar 2010 17:32:13
ELC 1912 i slated celtic fans the other week over the minute silence , i don't follow either to be honest in fact wanted both to win there uefa cup finals.
school of science
12 Mar 2010 17:37:53
As everton fans we have never denied our past and what has gone on.its certain rangers fans on here (the pube) who is in denial over their past , the pube is an idiot he obviously knows nothing about the club he claims to support. there has been an issue over catholic players in the past at your club(notice the words in the past) accept it as its true
school of science
12 Mar 2010 17:44:35
I am not anti rangers , THIS IS A BANTER SITE AND CERTAIN PEOPLE ON HERE ARE VERY GOOD FOR THE BANTER. regarding this post that some1 put up
After reading SOS posts on here, one thing that emanates from him is his anti Rangers attitude, he nit picks at nearly every comment made by others, his latest one, "you're prob a Rangers fan as your jealous of our league and players, blah blah blah, why does'nt he assume it's a Celtic, Hearts or Aberdeen fan?, because I'm sure they'd prefer to be in the EPL and getting all that money!, this guy is no WUM, you can see in his posts the venom spewing out of him
i guessed who this post was from so sent a bit more to wind him up abit more
school of science
12 Mar 2010 18:16:36
I'm the lad who said £250m is not reflective. You completely missed the point. Rafa has not spent £250m he has spend £90m. The bottom line is that the squad needed an overhaul when he arrived. Within days he had lost Owen and Heskey which was 35 of the previous season goals. He had funds but had to spread them thinly buying a lot of players better than he had. The aim was to get a good balanced squad the next stage was to start to buy quality to add. That didn't happened as the owners changed the transfer policy in 2007 allowing just £20m plus sales each season. Therefore he had to start to trade selling players he'd rather of kept to raise funds to replace players that were ageing or that failed. Hence last season was good but having sold Keane and Alonso for £40m plus and only really replacing with Aqualani it's not hard to see why Liverpool are short.
Rafa has bought many quality players to Liverpool Torres, Mascherano as you say but you fail to mention Reina, Agger and Johnson. Now if you sold those 5 you would probably get £130m ish and then Rafa would have a net spend of £40m. So he has added value NO DOUBT.
Finally the spending League you source quotes is 1992 to 2010. Firstly I never said that what you spend should reflect your finish (you seem to think that) and secondly it's not really fair to blame or attribute spending to Rafa that went on under Souness, Evans and Houllier some 18 years ago.
Whether or not Rafa has only spent 90m net, he has still spent 250m on poor signings apart from Torres & Alonso, but to be fair Alonso only started playing well in his final season at the club! the 160m Rafa made in sales are players who failed to settle at the club, which is classed as a poor signing is it not?
12 Mar 2010 17:55:58
You see, ELC mate, the multiple posts below represent the extent of The Pube's descent into insanity. Don't whatever you do, let the gimp know where you sit for home games. I reckon you'd never get rid of him again. It would be like that film Single White Female. He can't just come back to a post against him with a comment, witty one–liner or intelligent put–down. He acts like a wounded psychopath.
A very strange young man he is.
The Truth Teller
12 Mar 2010 17:43:15
"I gave evidence on here and listed players which proved SOS's statement wrong, as did other Rangers fans. Now when the truth is thrwn back at you about our clubs disgrace your on here crying about it, WEAAAAAAH WEAAAAAAAAH, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MY FANS TALK ABOUT OTHER CLUBS BAD HISTORY BUT NOBODY CAN TALK ABOUT MINE OK, OR I'LL CRY LIKE THIS WEAAAAAAAAAH! WEAAAAAAAH. MUMMY THAT BIG BAD MAN SAID SOMETHING THAT WAS TRUTH ABOUT MY CLUB. WEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!"
WTF is this?! And why is it allowed on here? I didn't realise it was a site for mentally unstable people who act like children.
12 Mar 2010 17:00:13
Why have Rangers & Celtic done better than Everton in Europe over recent years? Both old firm teams have made it to the final of a European trophy recently, they have both made it to the final 16 of the Champions league and Rangers at one stage made it to the final 8.
Why can't Everton do anything like this?? Send your answers to itisbecauseyouaresht.com.
Yes the English league is a better league than the Scottish. But when both teams compete in Europe it is a level playing ground, why can't Everton acheive what Rangers & Celtic have in recent years.
Also Truth teller, where do you get the logic that because Liverpool are 3rd highest spenders in the league they should be 3rd place in the EPL?? You do know that's not how football works don't you?? Obviously not. lol.
12 Mar 2010 17:10:58
AHHHHHH HAHAHAHA! Truth teller says the facts I wrote about Neverton were for "personal gain" lol. Talk about grasping at straws TT. Like I said I simply pointed out the disgrace of Everton to SOS after he pointed out the disgrace of our club (he used the word disgraceful) he also spouted plenty other sht about Rangers and has done a few times on here. I posted the facts about Everton, like I said if you don't like it don't give it out
12 Mar 2010 16:59:39
ELC, there is a difference between having a dig (like SOS) and the crap the Pube comes out with. The Pube makes post after post, all unsigned. He also uses stuff like racism for personal gain. SOS meant what he said. The Pube doesn't care about anything but himself. He's an embarrassment to your club.
The Truth Teller
12 Mar 2010 16:29:35
To theturdz your right rafa did sell crouch/bellemy/alonso lets take each one in turn 1st crouch he wouldn't sighn a new deal and only had one year left so we would have lost him for nothing wictch we couldnt afford.2ndbellemy was sold so we could afford to buy torres which one would you pick? .alonso wanted to leave we got 3 times what we payed he was outstanding in his first season and his last season not so good inbetween i would never keep any player who didn't want to play for us plus he didn't get all of alonsos money. from a season tkt holder in the padock. keep the faith .soulman.
12 Mar 2010 16:45:22
I have it on very good sources ( local council included ) that everton and Liverpool will be announcing a site has been located for ground share and agreed, the 75000 sestet stadium will be ready for the 201213 season,
If that was true my season ticket would be thrown back at the club and that's also the views of a lot of friends i go the game with.
I agree mate, mine would go back too. No need to build a stadium for either if it's joint the gates would be reflected by the views of both red and blue. Significantly less than now.
Before any starts quoting well Milan do it. Yeah but Sheffield don't, Manchester don't, Bristol don't, Nottingham don't, London clubs don't, Athletico and Real don't, Barca and Espanyol don't, Torino and Juventus don't..
Anyway your source should know that Liverpool have a 5 year option on Stanley Park so why would the club look elsewhere. It's right in the middle of the two, granted planning and enough space for 90,000. Check your sauce is not HP, Heinz or Daddies.
12 Mar 2010 14:14:50
REThe Truth Teller, regarding SOS and Rangers, I think you'll find before the Pube came on the scene, SOS was already having digs at other Rangers fans posts on here, I have never seen him have a dig at any Celtic posters, maybe he has a soft spot for Celtic and is disappointed the way their season has failed?, and by god it's failed!and he's hurt the way we Rangers fans are gloating on here, poor sod, ELC 1912
12 Mar 2010 14:21:58
Who said this:
I have it on very good sources ( local council included ) that everton and Liverpool will be announcing a site has been located for ground share and agreed, the 75000 sestet stadium will be ready for the 201213 season,
If that was true my season ticket would be thrown back at the club and that's also the views of a lot of friends i go the game with.
12 Mar 2010 14:23:28
To whomever posted this:
12 Mar 2010 10:50:16
Benitez will be the Real Manager next season, Rafa turned down a few "big clubs" in the summer but will not turn down Real.
Rafa's appointment means Alonso will leave, naturally he is linked to Liverpool with a swap deal involving Mascherano but Chelsea are seriously interested and they are faves to land him.
Torres is likely to be at Barca next year. A few more Liverpool player face the chop, Reira, Babel, Lucas and Ngog. As for a new manager Liverpool have sniffed around Sven, Roy Hodgson, The Special One, Klinsmann my guess is either Sven or Hodgson will get the job but there is substantial money on offer for TSO.
Whoever takes over will have to do a lot of rebuilding, a new LB, RM, CM, LM, and two strikers are needed. With Liverpool being vulnerable expect bids for Renia, Agger, Johnson, Gerrard, Mascherano, Yossi and Torres by Real, MU, Chelsea, Citeh, Inter and Barca
I agree with you completely that rafa will be leaving. Either to juventus or real. I hope that we will be able to land mourinho. However you also said that torres will be heading to barca. I have to disagree with you here.
Torres himself was said he wants to win the Premiership with Liverpool and signed a new contract just last year. Also, if he were to leave why would he go to barca. With 3 world class
forwards and several youth talents I do not believe barca really need him.
My prediction for the summer is that the special one comes in and is given funds for:
a left back taiwo
kjaer in a swap with skretl
turan in swap with babel
Ireland swap with benayoun
finally torres has asked for some help up front. Don't be suprised by a high profile signing like higuan or villa.
12 Mar 2010 14:28:36
I'm the lad who said £250m is not reflective. You completely missed the point. Rafa has not spent £250m he has spend £90m. The bottom line is that the squad needed an overhaul when he arrived. Within days he had lost Owen and Heskey which was 35 of the previous season goals. He had funds but had to spread them thinly buying a lot of players better than he had. The aim was to get a good balanced squad the next stage was to start to buy quality to add. That didn't happened as the owners changed the transfer policy in 2007 allowing just £20m plus sales each season. Therefore he had to start to trade selling players he'd rather of kept to raise funds to replace players that were ageing or that failed. Hence last season was good but having sold Keane and Alonso for £40m plus and only really replacing with Aqualani it's not hard to see why Liverpool are short.
Rafa has bought many quality players to Liverpool Torres, Mascherano as you say but you fail to mention Reina, Agger and Johnson. Now if you sold those 5 you would probably get £130m ish and then Rafa would have a net spend of £40m. So he has added value NO DOUBT.
Finally the spending League you source quotes is 1992 to 2010. Firstly I never said that what you spend should reflect your finish (you seem to think that) and secondly it's not really fair to blame or attribute spending to Rafa that went on under Souness, Evans and Houllier some 18 years ago.
12 Mar 2010 14:54:09
Just a quick comment whilst the boss is away with his secretary i mean meeting! Rickisixx (is there only two kisses? LOL) is actually right about the English hooligan thing. We cannot use religious hatred as an excuse, we have a big element of thugs who follow football, attracted by the tribalistic nature of football. And whilst a vast majority can control their aggression, a quick look at every time a visiting player takes a corner or a throw in, you can count the amount of vulgar gestures and words coming out of quite a few mouths. Idiots the lot of them. Why give a player the 'you're a waner' sign just because they're taking a corner FFS? What's that all about? I found this really stupid and cretineous behaviour. Can you actually imagine what we'd be like if we threw religion into the mix? Good point Rickisixx from Bob the Redxxx
12 Mar 2010 14:59:06
Truth teller your definitley wired to the moon. School of sht was using words like disgraceful when talking about the Rangers thing. He was making completely untrue accusaton that Rangers never signed a catholic player until the 1980's and how bad it was that Rangers were an anti catholic club. He didn't just state a quote from Souness as you put it, he threw in all the above mentioned stuff to you idiot.
As he mentioned that stuff from 30 years I thought I would point ou a few home truths about his own club and how disgraceful some of their history was.
Your just a complete small inded idiot that can't handle the fact your team have one of the worst records of racist behaviour in England. Its ok for your fellow fans to call other teams disgraceful but when someone accuses your team of it you go crazy and come on here talking utter nonsense. If any of the stuff I posted about Everton was false then please, by all means please please please point my mistakes out.
I gave evidence on here and listed players which proved SOS's statement wrong, as did other Rangers fans. Now when the truth is thrwn back at you about our clubs disgrace your on here crying about it, WEAAAAAAH WEAAAAAAAAH, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MY FANS TALK ABOUT OTHER CLUBS BAD HISTORY BUT NOBODY CAN TALK ABOUT MINE OK, OR I'LL CRY LIKE THIS WEAAAAAAAAAH! WEAAAAAAAH. MUMMY THAT BIG BAD MAN SAID SOMETHING THAT WAS TRUTH ABOUT MY CLUB. WEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!
Get a life truth teller, if you can't handle it, don't give it out. SOS, if you don't want embarrassing and shameful facts about your club posted on here, don't post it about other clubs. It's as simple as that.
12 Mar 2010 15:02:10
Yes, the boss is out all day!!! Just a quick post to the Lance Corporal from Afghanistan. Well done mate. Keep up the great work all you guys are doing. Fully support everything you do. Apologise in advance for that fecker Brown who continually gives you the tools to do a job in the 60's. It's embarrassing. Come back safe and sound and watch those fecking IED's. PS watch the yanks as well, they're just as deadly with better equipment and they're liars! If by some miracle you happen to stumble across Tom and George visiting troops on their side as some sort of PR gaff, any chance you could pop a cap in their ass? Bob the Red
12 Mar 2010 15:17:55
Listen right, there is more chance of rooney transfering to liverpool than there is of torres leaving the club. and after all the shit ferguson made about liverpool wanting to sign gabriele heinze, there is no chance of liverpool ever doing business with the red knights shte. as the season ends in april and the transfer window doesn't open till august, speculation about transfers is pointless until we know who lfcs manager is going to be next season. mark my words though, there will be NO mass exodus and reina, torres, agger, kuyt and gerrard will not leave. i think we'll get another season out of carragher and mascherano will more than likely stay with barca goin all out for fabragas and villa!
12 Mar 2010 15:32:29
Well this has got to be the worst season in living memory for all liverpool fans ive been saying all season that the team is not good enuf to be anywere near the top 4 let alone champions why has benitez put his blind faith in the likes of ngog, insua, degan, kuyt, riera, benayoun, elzhar, etc all squad players at best weve been lucky to get results against everton and manure but defeats at sunderland and portsmouth and wigan have been hard to stomach the manager is tactally inept at picking his best side always blaming injuries to his best players for results well ive had enough of his excuses so its now time for him to realise hes taken us as far as he can annd leave before the fans really start to go against him remember this is the manager who bought and sold alonso, bellamy, crouch all capable of winning games and sold with out quality replacements being bought. from theturdz lifelong fan and centenary stand season ticket holder.
12 Mar 2010 14:39:10
You shouldn't be let out alone, Pube face. School of Science made a post about Souness mentioning the catholic thing. That was it. Then you came along with your poison, and started making loads of ridiculous posts about Everton and racism, all with your stupid remarks. You tried to gain mileage from it. All School of Science did was make a point. You could have just disagreed with him. But no, you have to act like a complete fool yet again.
The Truth Teller
12 Mar 2010 13:49:02
Yaaaaaas! Truth Teller, you couldn't be more wrong! School of Sht actually made the first post. He was then bombarded with posts from numerous Rangers fans pointing out problems about his own team and was told people in glass houses whouldn't throw stones. All of the posts regarding Everons racism shame came out AFTER School of sht posted his comments about Rangers signings 30 years ago.
The pube ha ha truth teller makes a fool of himself withhis false stories.
12 Mar 2010 13:50:42
" Its looking more and more likely that Rafa will be off to R.Madrid this summer with;
Hiddink, McLeish, van Gaal, O'Niel, Mourinho, Hitzfeld, Rijkaard, del Bosque & Aragones all being lined up "
Bloody Hell that's some management team? how much you gona have to pay for all them? Also i think there will be some power issues. {editor's note – I read that as being lined up by Real Madrid in case Rafa turned them down, rather than as replacements for Rafa.}
Seriously though, the editors of this website need to create a seperate section for the LFC Fans rumours so we all don't have o suffer their bullt and filter out the other rumours that may have an ounce of sense in them.
Are you guys just working your way through the Valencia team? first it was Villa then Silva and now your all convinced your going to sign Mata. Who next? Fernandes, Vicente? Its boring to read everyday. Plus your now out of the league, CL and Europa cup (practically).
Also stop the rumours about CR9. hes not coming back to england ok. i promise.
I fancy Man Utd or Barcelona again for the CL for two reasons, Their ability to adapt tactics and over two legs they are simply more difficult to beat than any other team. Anyone can beat a team over 90mins but to concentrate for 180 is different and that's why these two are above the rest of europe.
Forget about Rooney leaving OT for Spain, its ridiculous and would not only take a bid higher than the CR9 deal, he himself would need a lot of convincing to up his family and leave for a country he does not know and a lingo he cannot speak. besides why would he leave? Real won't win the league and are out of the CL.
I don't understand what Chelsea are doing with J.Cole? anyone shed some light? Ballack, malouda, and anelka are all on 100,000 +, and joe cole, who is arguable as good if not better than thee three, isn't offered a better deal? Whats going on? I hope he leaves and wins the Prem with another club.
Finally whatever happens in the summer expect big transfers to be completed early doors, big teams have learnt that waiting until the last day of the window only lengthens the bedding in period for new signings.
Rant over
Stu
12 Mar 2010 13:55:40
Coyb/mad red first things first 1/let me explain if you boy a player for 10 mil then sell him for 15 mil and buy another player for 20 mil youve only spent 15 mil over the 2 seasons .rafas spent about 16/17 mil a season and actualy shown a profit over the last 2 seasons now do you understand. 2nd/i not up rafas ars but i don't slag the man of and ignore all the good hes done hes bought good /world class /and below standard players. but if you take into account what hes earnt in europe hes cost the clup next to nothing in transfers.if you don't think rafas passionate about lfc then your an idiot you don't have to behave like an dementet prat like jose to be passionate look at sir bob one of the best ever if not the best but he didn't rant and rave. ill allways defend rafa as long as i think hes the right man for the jop. as for us going 5 years without a trophy weve gone three years and we might win a trophy this year yet i bet youll be screaming for a ticket if we get to germany. obviously under your thinking youd have sacked fergie and now youd sack wenger lesson now ended. rafas the man .keep the faith. soul man
12 Mar 2010 13:57:37
After Bob the Red's post, I suddenly got a vision of a pudgy, middle–aged man called RAINFISHTROMBONE, sitting in the Stretford End, wearing his canary–coloured scarf which his old mum knitted for him.
What a gimp! LOLOLOLOL.
The Truth Teller
12 Mar 2010 13:21:13
Would all you bin dippers , stop putting ur fantasy signings on here , liverpool are in financial meltdown , you know it , i know it , the whole world and there dog knows it , so who in there right mind would want to go there . you`ll find that more players will be leaving than arriving . would love to see Joe Cole at spurs next term ..ps . we love rafa he makes us look a cert for the champs league ..FACT .come on you spurs
12 Mar 2010 13:25:45
IF!! Benitea took over real marid it doesn't mean tht xabi alonso wud be heading 4 the exit.since when have reals managers had the main say in transfers..nt 4 along time..clown! the presidents do all the main running 4 the big transfers.alonso has been wana madrids consisten performers if u actualy nwatch spanish football .
12 Mar 2010 13:36:36
RAINFISH, you have the most pathetic fans i have ever had the mis fortune to come across. Talk about fans jumping on bandwagon's which must make up 90% of your support in the last few years. In the pub last night, my mate nudged me and said 'listen to these tools behind us and hear what they're going on about'. So i listened and i laughed and i screamed out loud. Funniest thing i've heard in ages. There were 4 manure fans arguing over the canary yellow and green scarves that granny has knitted RAINFISH to wear. The argument stems from one of the group saying it was in support of the Munich aircrash and another stated it was the colours of FC United and it is a protest over Fergie having no money to spend and it is to put pressure on the owners who one said was called the Golders Seriously i kid you not. You couldn't make this up. All were wearing manure shirts purchased from knock off Nigel's stall. This is why manure are loathed up and down dale. And before anyone says every successful club has these kinds of fans, not 90% they don't. Yet all you could hear was that two more trophies were coming home etc. etc. The fact that they know nothing, and i mean nothing about the club they are meant to support says everything you wish to know about manure. So whilst my club goes through another washed out season. I'd rather have that, than supporters who know jack about football jumping on bandwagon's. This is why LFC have the greatest and most knowledgeable fan base in the World. FACT. We have a 5% minority of band wagon jumpers left, however not many have rolled into our town for quite a while. So there's a bright spot for a lack of success! We avoid getting knobs supporting us, they go support manure for no other reason than they're lily livered, fair weather, lazy, canary yellow and green wearing tools. Bob the Red
12 Mar 2010 13:37:27
To the post below: It was a Rangers fan that School of Science was addressing. In fact, it was The Pube, who is someone that would make a saint swear. SOS's response was made after The Pube made multiple idiotic posts about Everton and racism at Everton. I don't think SOS meant to offend anyone.
The Truth Teller
12 Mar 2010 12:21:41
After reading SOS posts on here, one thing that emanates from him is his anti Rangers attitude, he nit picks at nearly every comment made by others, his latest one, "you're prob a Rangers fan as your jealous of our league and players, blah blah blah, why does'nt he assume it's a Celtic, Hearts or Aberdeen fan?, because I'm sure they'd prefer to be in the EPL and getting all that money!, this guy is no WUM, you can see in his posts the venom spewing out of him.
12 Mar 2010 12:45:27
ForestRED Seriously, give up. None of your rumours have come close to happening.
12 Mar 2010 12:48:54
Can't say I'm a big fan of jose the special one, but his track record at Chelsea was good
. few managers have done well so quickly with such a big budget, and none of his predecessors save possibly the current one look as good as handling cash and overpaid prima donna's so if LFC did get a big cash injection and turn to him, it wouldn't be the worst move. Whether its likely or not I don't know. I like Hodgson always have, but at the highest level dealing with big £££s is a big factor. Whilst they might not have had quite as much cash to deal with, both SAF and The Wingeing One have eschewed this policy in recent years and most of the chaps who do well for a period with tight budgets and tight squads tend to blow up when they get into the big league and sparky's just the latest casualty of that. Unless you have a supportive patron style owner (as MON has Lerner, for example) its tough to make teh step up, so again that supports LFC making a TSOtype appointment IF (big big IF) the money is there, but expect Rafa to go. Whatever the origin of this season's problem its looking like he's gone past the point of no return and change is needed. Shame.
12 Mar 2010 12:48:55
I wish people would just stop posting what they heard from their mates down the pub. On to Liverpool. Please stop posting rubbish like Torres to Barcelona, they cannot afford 100m for him. In reality only Manchester City and Real Madrid can afford him. The former would only be in the running if they have Champions League football and the latter he would never ever play for. As for Benitez, it is obvious he will leave with either Juventus or Real Madrid being the options. It does not take a rocket scientist to work that one out. Gerrard is unlikely to leave now and with a new manager, (which I am sure he will have some input into who this is) he will start again. It is clear to see by his body language that all is not well behind the scenes and I believe that Rafa has lost the teams respect and that includes Torres. I personally feel that many of the players will be glad to see him move on to pastures new. Ryan Babel will likely stay under a new manager, which is a good thing and hopefully the likes of Reira and Lucas move to pastures new. I believe Aquilani is also likely to stay on unless a good bid is received from Italy and then the player may ask to go. Mascherano is an unknown, I guess if Barcelona fail to get Fabregas, (which i believe is dependent on Arsenal either winning the league or Champions league) then he may well be off, which would be very bad news for Liverpool, as he is the best player in that holding role on the planet bar none. If Rafa does go to Real, Alonso could well leave and I am not convinced he would return to the UK, he is back on home soil now and I think he will stay there. Who knows maybe Barcelona will try and get him if the Fabregas deal does not happen. The new manager will likely start using Pacheco and Kelly which is what we all want to see. Pacheco for me will be world class, he is a special talent that is ready to be used now.
12 Mar 2010 12:54:12
The problem liverpool have is man city now, at 1 time no1 could compete with the big 4 moneywise now man city have more money than any1 and if they don't finish in the top 4 this season its only a matter of time before they do. once there in the top 4 they will atract any1 they can pay whatever wages they want , my guess is mourinhio will be citys manager next season and he will attract players to city. were do liverpool go if they don't finish in the top 4 well the brand is massive but if they stop winning things people change. there are alot of true fans to clubs in this country but also there are alot of glory hunters here and abroad. in the summer it will be interesting to see what happens with liverpool but at the moment there looks no heart in the team. i do think if the money was there rafa would have been sacked by now
school of sciencee
12 Mar 2010 12:14:15
If I remember correctly, NCS, David Moyes was after him before Rafa got him. The same goes for Riera and Sissoko. I know the latter two are considered flops to a degree, but I think it illustrates how difficult it can be for team that isn't part of the elite, to get their men. That's why Liverpool, despite being rubbish this season, are still poised to come good again. The club will always attract people.
Truth Teller
12 Mar 2010 11:55:47
The Truth Teller, I wouldn't say great at the moment but definitely looks a solid choice at the back – he's comfortable on the ball, good in the air and gets the odd goal too. On the negative side, he makes a few mistakes (but he's young and hopefully still learning), doesn't score enough (but then no–one in the team is at the moment) and is injured too often. Hopefully, he'll stay injury free and go on to become a commanding presence in the side for years to come.
NCS
12 Mar 2010 11:50:51
I remembered Reina just after I'd posted, but couldn't be bothered making another poster. I agree, he's top–notch. Is Aggar that great, though?
The Truth Teller
12 Mar 2010 10:44:52
Im a long time reader of this site and also a true lfc supporter. Where has it all gone wrong. There is something seriously wrong at this onetime great club and it is mainly 2 points. You have rafa and you have the players. The passion the desire and pride to do what is right for lfc seems to be lacking from both. Now in my opion you either get rid of the players who don't seem to care anymore (torres, stevie g, babel, mascherano, johnson) and give rafa the money to rebuild or you get rid of rafa who doesn't seem to be the leader he once was. Now personally giving rafa another big budget would be suicide and something we can't afford to do, we are so far behind the big 3 its scary, it used to be the big 4 not anymore though. Sorry rafa i used to back you not anymore.adios amigo
12 Mar 2010 10:55:28
I cannot understand why anyone is defending Benitez, he is responsible for tactics, team selection, player motivation etc etc. having watched Liverpool for a long time, this is the worst football I have ever seen, his subsitutions make no sense, we are slow moving forward and recently have spent more time giving the ball away than keeping it. Yes we won in Turkey, but remember that his starting line up was 30 down at half time and being battered. Remember Athens, when he played with Kuyt alone up front, against an aging defence, then kept Bellamy and Crouch (until it was too late) on the bench instead the dick head brought on Kewell(who had played for about 5 minutes all year) and took off Masch who had kept Kaka under wraps and brought on Arbeloa. He is basically making the same stupid mistakes now.
last night why take off Babel and not Kuyt (who was simply abissmal)
The quicker Rafa goes the better, because I simply cannot work out what he is trying to acheive playing with just Torres up front on his own even at home is beyond belief, Gerrard appears to have lost the plot, and there has to be a reason why he has dropped in form so much. The whole teams body language is pathetic and this has to be down to a loss of belief in the manager, if, as supporters, can see it then the players must equally be aware of it.
I personally would like to see Jose as manager, if only for the spirit he shows.
12 Mar 2010 11:09:39
Comrades!
Dark days indeed but do not despair as the words prophesise "At the end of the storm, Is a golden sky".
As Regulars here will know, I post infrequently because my 'source from within' rarely has mcuh to say even though she comes into daily contact with senior club officials.
Now to business. Carragher as manager. No chance. Maybe years down the line after going out of the club first to prove himself. In the unlikely event that Rafa leaves and it is highly unlikely look at managers such as Hodgson, Coyle and as outside bets Martinez and even Ablett. Top drawer such as Mourinho etc are fantasy their immediate transfer budget requirements are simply beyond the club moneywise even if we are bought out the next 5 years are going to be extremly tight. Instead the club will look for a competent efficient middle drawer manager who has an understanding of English football both style of play and tribalism and an understanding of how important club history is.
Transfers. Stop it now with all these lists players of warmer climes. It isn't going to happen. Stop it also with the £25Mplus players. They aren't going to happen either. Well maybe one and that's it. Look instead to UK born players and players who qualify as 'homegrown'. Look also for players who will be cheap, to improve the squad and help the younger ones because of their experience Joe Cole for instance or Celtic's McGeady. There will be no serious transfer activity by anyone until after the World Cup which in itself is going to play a major decider in the value of players. Good player goes there and has a stinker and his value will drop dramatically. Fairly average player in the squad of the eventual winners and his value soars.
Given that vrtually straight after the season ends the World Cup sqauds assemble and then there is the competition itself, then the players will want a breather so expect a very quiet start to the transfer window big players wise and an absolutely frantic August. Expect the start of the Prem to be an erratic affair for teams that are top heavy with players that will be still tired from the World Cup.
Walk On
RED LENIN
12 Mar 2010 11:29:35
All this talk of cr9 moving back to uk and playing for united again is quite feasable given the unrest in Reals dressing room most of the players hate ronaldo and his ego , also heard guti squared up to him after the lyon defeat after cr9 was bad mouthing his team mates that and the fact i picked up on david gills coments last week and fergies a few weeks ago claiming ronaldo money has not been touched and is still there also the fact cr9 has a 200m release clause however there is also a clause claiming that MUFC can buy back ronaldo minus 10% for each year he remains at real so 80m fee real paid will reduce each year by 10% if united want him back but only united can buy for that fee others will have to pay the 200m release if they want to buy him.also heard he really misses the EPL and united so maybe we might see him soon
12 Mar 2010 11:43:25
To Gazman, My apologies, had to check you weren't a manure fan on the wind up. great post. Echo your sentiments (could have done with your comments alongside mine a few months ago). The problem is now we are in such a rut, it would on the surface look completely and utterly pathetic to try and support Rafa. No one will even take the time to read any further. You will be castigated for being a pillock. What is going on inside that club? The players are awful, Rafa says there was a reaction, but i grew up in an era whereby if LFC lost, God help the next opposition. I can remember my Dad (stubborn WBA fan the fool) saying once when LFC got beat "Christ i hope we aint up next otherwise it's a thraping for us" Now it's "Please, please let us play LFC next". But a great post. Don't really expect anything different from true LFC fans, we know our football which is what makes Rafa's job harder, we can see what's what. Bob the Red. (got a classic for RAINFISH in my next post, still LMAO at it now. (i had to ask my daughter what LMAO meant!)
12 Mar 2010 11:43:29
The Truth Teller, don't forget Reina too. And maybe Agger (shame he's often injured).
NCS
12 Mar 2010 10:58:30
"Its looking more and more likely that Rafa will be off to R.Madrid this summer with;
Hiddink, McLeish, van Gaal, O'Niel, Mourinho, Hitzfeld, Rijkaard, del Bosque & Aragones all being lined up."
All of them? surely that would cause major problems if they don't agree on tactics, transfers etc.?
NCS
12 Mar 2010 10:26:18
Alex, WTF, Do you have any clue at all how rediculous you sound. More or less suggesting that nothing is being done by the Old Firm to stop Bigotry and Sectarianism. Obviously you are so ignorant that you have decided to investigate the bad instead of looking at the Good, Such as efforts by the Strathclyde police, Glasgow City Council, Nil by Mouth and many more schemes that are trying to stop it through educational seminars and events within schools.
You obviously think you are a bit smart arse, but hey, Its easy to suggest that we are Vile hiding behind you computer, seeing if someone bites. Well I'll bite, and see if we can't try and bring the views people have of Glasgwegians
In fact Lets flip the coin. As Rangers and Celtics history goes back 120ish years, and Sectarianism between the Catholics and Protestants goes back almost 400 years (not defending it, but its not just a football thing). lets look for the excuses as to Why English Hooligans (ohh i think there maybe a couple of instances here)seem to get into battles WorldWide. Maybe they just generally hate the entire world that isn't English, Maybe they love the feeling of throwing Plastic chairs at hooligans. The Smell of TearGas in the Morning, The Sight of oncoming Riot Police. And its not limited to the international football. Theres the London Firms, the casuals who travel the length and bredth of the country just to knock someones head in with half a Brick. Whats being done to stop that??
Please Alex I would like somesort of excuse as to why your lot do it because it certainly isn't anything to do with 400 years + of hate Its just plain old Violence.
Now am not having a go at English people before you hit me with that on. COYB, Bob the Red, School of Science plus many others including Ed will verify that, But if your gonna have a go at us, then you should maybe look inhouse first. Hypocrisy thy name is Alex
Rikkisixx (loves english people, Fiance is a Catholic, Best mate is a Catholic, and I am a Rangers Fan My god I must be soooooo Violent, call the cops)
12 Mar 2010 10:29:56
To the lad saying that the £250m that Rafa has spent is not reflective, and that he has to sell before buying. Mate, all clubs sell before buying, even Chelsea (maybe not City now). The fact is, £250m spent by Rafa should have bought a great team. It doesn't matter that he has sold players, he still spent enough money to assemble his own team, made in his own image. But what have you truly got for that in terms of class? I would say maybe Torres and Mascherano?
Anyway, the figures show that Liverpool and Rafa are number 3 in the NET spending league, behind City and Chelsea. So you should be third in the PL, right?
http://transferleague.co.uk/
Some of the figures at that site are debatable, but I think it's broadly a good reflection of transfer spending.
The Truth Teller
12 Mar 2010 08:55:59
Who ever wrote kuyt, lucas, insua are good players needs there head read, you say every manager has 1 bad season we have had 5 trophieless ones, did you watch the last two games(soulman)liverpool are big joke under rafa, so do me a favour please stop brown nosing rafa
p.s
rafa has nothing to do with green house effect and other disaster, but he is to blame for turning liverpool in to laughnig stock of the premiership
MAD RED
12 Mar 2010 09:23:06
I don't mean to wind you up Bob the Red, I just feel very strongly about my club and I don't turn easily. History shows that sticking by your manager works a lot better than chopping and changing.
I know this is a vague statement but look at Aresnal for an example, about three months ago everyone in the media and the general concensus among Aresnal fans was that they needed to buy more players to win anything. Most people were saying they needed a striker and a centre back and a defensive midfielder to compete with the so called big boys. Now look at where they are, sitting pretty in the league and looking really good in the champions league. I don't hear the knockers of Aresnal or Wenger anymore.. Ironically it was possibly the second half at anfield that kick started there season.
People conveniently forget.
Another example is Alex Ferguson, after all he had done for Man Utd over the years, I remember after Chelsea had won the league two years on the bounce the Utd fans were saying he had lost it and he should be replaced. I remember it, a lot of people I work with are Utd fans and I remember them vividly slating Ferguson I couldn't believe my ears! what do you want for fucks sake! And look what happened 3 titles and a champions league later.
I'm 100% sure that Rafa is a good manager. I remember Liverpool playing Rafa's Valencia at anfield (I think under Houlier) and we couldn't get the ball. I reckon it was one of the reasons why he was appointed in the first place. I plead with reds fans to get behind him. You cannot go from struggling and scraping draws which we were doing since christmas to winning 40. We need a catalyst to give us a boost.
Its been a shitty season all in all, but we have had terrible injuries, shocking luck and we have conceded late late goals in crucial games.
I would give him one more season at least I think he deserves it.
Just be careful what you wish for Reds fans
12 Mar 2010 09:24:14
That was from gazman to bob the red
12 Mar 2010 09:37:52
I have backed Rafa to the hilt and still rate him as a manager. However, sometimes change is needed for changes sake. Now is this.
What I will not stand by and watch is armchair supporters of other clubs to spout lies about how much Rafa has spent. The figures of £250m are not reflective. He has had to sell to buy making money on players along the way to enable him to buy better. Some examples of where is have sold for more than he bought are Bellamy, Crouch, Alonso, Sissoko, Kromkamp, Carson, Voronin and Leto. There have been poor signing but have these been due to Rafa bad judgement or simply because the players failed. For example no club would have turned down Morientes at the time and Arsenal and Spurs were both in for Babel. Other players have failed because the expectation is too high. If you buy a player for £8m then that's what you get. Lucas is OK but that's what you get for £8m compare that to Man Utd's average player Anderson who cost £18m. The Aqualani transfer fee is the most mis quoted in history. He has to play 150 games and Liverpool win the League and Champions League before the fee gets anywhere near £20m. Robbie Keane was exactly the same. The loss was £4m not the reported £8m. Rafa's net spend is £90m and for that he has delivered the Champions League, the FA Cup, the European Super cup, a runners up, Champions League every year and another Champions League final. PERSPECTIVE.
12 Mar 2010 09:47:12
Adding to what I just said Bob the red Wouldn't it be ironic if we don't finish 4th then go and win the league next season? no european distractions just the same team every league game.
If anyone wants to leave cos we don't finish fourth then let them players have a to be responsible and its as much there fault as rafa's. A lot of those players owe Rafa some big big performances and I think we will come good because of it.
Gazman
12 Mar 2010 09:46:29
Hahaha. You daft moron, The Pube. If you had read the posts properly, you would have seen that BOTH SOS and I said that Rodwell wouldn't be sold for less than £30m because Moyes doesn't want to sell him, nor do he need to sell him. Moreover, this isn't just something we have made up. Moyes has said he's not for sale, even at £30m. Plus, like Ed pointed out, there is a buzz about Rodwell. He's one of those players that come along every few years. Why else do you think United, including your mate Rainfishtitbone, have been salivating at the prospect of signing him? Even the press have been quoting £30m being the possible figure Everton would be forced to do business at.
Take your pills lads, or some people in white coats might be forced to section you. I'm sure you'd miss your luxury £300pcm apartment in G1 and your blow–up girlfriend.
What a tool you are.
COYB!!
12 Mar 2010 06:23:53
11 Mar 2010 22:32:50
which nameless idiot sent this
Oh yeah, forgot to mention just because you two poor examples for football fans (School of sht & COYBigot) both strangely came up with exactly the same valuation of Rodders Trotter, doesn't mean it is his valuation by the club.
A handful of appearances and a goal against Man Utd and all you clowns are going mental over the lad lol. Typical small club supporter syndrome. If Neverton were offered 20 mill in July they would sell sell sell. Not that anyone would be stupid enough to offer that figure. School of sht, your "Neverton don't need to sell" is completely irrelevant you clueless McNugget.
Are all Neverton fans as daft as COYBigot & School of sht?? Or is it just because they are the only 2 on here. {editor's note there has been a buzz around Rodwell for a long time before now, similar to the buzz that surrounded Owen, Fowler and Mcmanaman when they were in the youth teams at Liverpool. He stood out a country mile as a prospect, I think you are being a bit harsh on the Everton fans there. This kid doesn't have teams like United and Chelsea drooling over him for no reason.}
my post said everton are in a position were they did not have to sell rodwell so it would take a hell of a bid for everton to consider it. lescott was a 8m player we got 24m , you are prob a rangers fan who is jealous of our league with the quality of players we have, scottish football is awful and there is no way back , good players won't go there nomore and you have lost your automatic qualification in the champions league group stages in a couple of seasons. everton have sent a couple of kids on loan up there and are doing well with motherwell .1 more thing if everton do sell rodwell rangers could sell all there squad and it would not come anywhere near what rodwell is worth
school of science
12 Mar 2010 06:57:46
If these rumours are true about Ronaldo going back to Man Utd God bless the rest of us in the EPL, with the form Rooneys in. playing upfront BY HIMSELF now, he wouldn't have to do his old shift and keep tracking back. Heres to hoping!!
12 Mar 2010 07:58:33
I understand to all you other Fans the thought of Mourinho joining liverpool must seem a joke but its not we have a team that went to within a whisker of winning the prem last season a good quality bunch of players and then Saint Mourinho swans in when we look like sht gives everyone a boost and were back winin more silverware
LFC THE ONLY WAY IS UP
WILL
12 Mar 2010 08:08:40
Alex
I think you will find that it was your great chum School of Science that brought the Secterianism/ Racism debate to this site ( again). Are you saying that he can slag of Rangers/ Celtic fans but they are not allowed to respond with any information they can put their hands on regarding Everton? I'm sure they're not making it up!
The Irish Rover
11 Mar 2010 23:58:55
Mr stubborn is going to have to call it a day pretty dam soon. Lets face it the season is as gud as over for us, 4th is lookin unlikely now and winnin the europa league will not wash. The fans hav shown tremendous faith and support for rafa but now they are turnin. For his sake he best leave before he becomes our first boss in years to hold the record for most defeats in a season. JCB
11 Mar 2010 22:23:22
I will say it again, how dare a fan of a club like rangers try and take the moral high ground, please read my earlier post about some of there deplorable actions. Again of course Everton has had its dark past (no pun intended)but despite a subculture of scum that exsist within all clubs and use football as a facade to promote their wicked ways, it is a far more racially tolerant club. Some idiot of course mentioned the Diouf incident in 2009 where he claimed bananas where thrown at him. There weren't simple as. Anybody only has to see the reaction of club after Yobo's racially verbal assult from Emre, to see that this is a club that has long shed it less than desirable past.
To link it with the BNP is such a redundant argument, regardless that merseyside is (ironically) socialist red through and through the fact the BNP is facist will not detract attention away from it in working class areas. Of course anybody that has a problem with political freedom of speech and wishes to oppress, might aswell consider themselves facist.
To summarise my two cents worth, clubs like the old firm have racism and bigotry intrisically linked with the pair, and you can call me all the names under the sun but I stand by the belief that they are vile clubs, with vile fans (not the majority of course) and that the entire principles behind secatarinism are so odious and moronic that it makes you wonder how idiots like this can survive in todays world without a grown up helping them to cross the street
Alex
11 Mar 2010 22:26:08
HA HA HA!! COYBigot. Whatever he has spent, whether it be 250 million or not. The man has still brought back the worlds most valued trophy in club football. The Champions league is a tournament he has managed to win whilst your poor little team have never ever ever even competed in the tournament.
Say what you want about the man, he has acheived an accolade that your team, never mind your manager will never acheive.
Celtic have reached the final 16 of the tournament whilst Rangers have reached the final 16 & the final 8 of the tournament knocking the English champions out on the way. Oh but we're just a wee diddy team from a diddy league lol. When was the last time your team competed in a european final? lol!
It must be shie to have never seen your team play in the worlds biggest club tournament!! Awwwww poor little Mustang Sally.
11 Mar 2010 22:32:50
Oh yeah, forgot to mention just because you two poor examples for football fans (School of sht & COYBigot) both strangely came up with exactly the same valuation of Rodders Trotter, doesn't mean it is his valuation by the club.
A handful of appearances and a goal against Man Utd and all you clowns are going mental over the lad lol. Typical small club supporter syndrome. If Neverton were offered 20 mill in July they would sell sell sell. Not that anyone would be stupid enough to offer that figure. School of sht, your "Neverton don't need to sell" is completely irrelevant you clueless McNugget.
Are all Neverton fans as daft as COYBigot & School of sht?? Or is it just because they are the only 2 on here. {editor's note – there has been a buzz around Rodwell for a long time before now, similar to the buzz that surrounded Owen, Fowler and Mcmanaman when they were in the youth teams at Liverpool. He stood out a country mile as a prospect, I think you are being a bit harsh on the Everton fans there. This kid doesn't have teams like United and Chelsea drooling over him for no reason.}
11 Mar 2010 23:21:19
I'm a big liverpool fan and i would love to see Mourhino at anfield, there's plenty of rumours he's on his way.I know he wouldn't have much money as anywhere else he could go, but he would have full control of the first team, reserves and the acadamy like Benitez has, which he didn't have at chelsea(remember shevchenko, he didn't want him)and at inter.c'mon yanks get him in.
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